>> that is why it is great that the healthcare reform law does have a religious exemption. >> sean: it does and it doesn't. the fact is it really doesn't. for example if you are catholic hospital or charity or in this case this chain they are deeply held religious convictions of the owners. they are willing to provide health insurance coverage but not this and why would the government, jordan have a right to step in and tell them they must do something that goes directly against their conscience and something that is forbidden by their conscience? >> first of all, we he just won one of these cases moments before coming on the air out of the 7th circuit. we are three for three at the circuit court of appeals on getting the injunctions for not religious organizations but private companies like hobby lobby. it is not a shock that justice sotomayor agreed with the hhs mandate when you look at the policies. this is an affront to religious liberty. $1.3 million a day starting on tuesday if you choose not to violate your religious conscience which for hobby lobby is just for abortive patience